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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2006/08/catholic-teaching-and-overpopulation.html/comment-page-1#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;ve always believed that overpopulation kind of takes care of itself naturally---natural disasters, famine, disease, war, etc, tend to keep things under control.  If I lived in a country experiencing famine and horrible disease, I am quite sure I would feel that God was calling us to seriously consider limiting the number of children we conceived.  But living in a country of great wealth and opportunity such as we do, I feel blessed to be able to have a large family and know we can provide food on the table for them every day.  God uses Mother Nature to provide a system of checks and balances if things get out of hand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;ve always believed that overpopulation kind of takes care of itself naturally&#8212;natural disasters, famine, disease, war, etc, tend to keep things under control.  If I lived in a country experiencing famine and horrible disease, I am quite sure I would feel that God was calling us to seriously consider limiting the number of children we conceived.  But living in a country of great wealth and opportunity such as we do, I feel blessed to be able to have a large family and know we can provide food on the table for them every day.  God uses Mother Nature to provide a system of checks and balances if things get out of hand!</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2006/08/catholic-teaching-and-overpopulation.html/comment-page-1#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a daughter form China, so the whole population control issue has been on my mind for several months. I had an interesting email exchange with a dad who has 2 daughters from China and still feels that the one child policy is valid and China basically had no choice but to institute the OCP. It is the darn male preference that has screwed things up. I had several good responses about human ingenuity the slavery of communism etc..., but his outlook was just so pessimistic that his response never came to more then well, that&#039;ll never happen. Oh and if the Catholic Church &#039;got it&#039;s way and everyone was Catholic and following the the faith faithfully, we would be in the Garden of Eden ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a daughter form China, so the whole population control issue has been on my mind for several months. I had an interesting email exchange with a dad who has 2 daughters from China and still feels that the one child policy is valid and China basically had no choice but to institute the OCP. It is the darn male preference that has screwed things up. I had several good responses about human ingenuity the slavery of communism etc&#8230;, but his outlook was just so pessimistic that his response never came to more then well, that&#8217;ll never happen. Oh and if the Catholic Church &#8216;got it&#8217;s way and everyone was Catholic and following the the faith faithfully, we would be in the Garden of Eden <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2006/08/catholic-teaching-and-overpopulation.html/comment-page-1#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Ok, but what if the Catholic Church got its way and everyone got married and had 8 kids?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What makes you think that would be the result of &quot;the Catholic Church [getting] its way?&quot; It seems to me that if all the Catholics out there took seriously the Church&#039;s teachings and viewed married life as a vocation (requiring discernment) there would be 1) a heck of a lot more people hearing the call to religious life (and thus celibacy), 2) fewer people having children (and thus sex) premaritally, so the current trend of having children later would probably continue as young people pursued education and financial stability beforing committing, and 3) judicial use of NFP to space children when the situation warrants. Remembering that not all couples have the same level of fertility, you would not likely see Catholics all breeding like rabbits - it&#039;s obvious from reading papal writings that that isn&#039;t the goal anyway. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;NB: Even prior to the advent of modern birth control, when all of the Christian churches rejected it, it was still true that wealthier nations had lower birth rates, because they tended to marry later and have shorter reproductive lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Ok, but what if the Catholic Church got its way and everyone got married and had 8 kids?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>What makes you think that would be the result of &#8220;the Catholic Church [getting] its way?&#8221; It seems to me that if all the Catholics out there took seriously the Church&#8217;s teachings and viewed married life as a vocation (requiring discernment) there would be 1) a heck of a lot more people hearing the call to religious life (and thus celibacy), 2) fewer people having children (and thus sex) premaritally, so the current trend of having children later would probably continue as young people pursued education and financial stability beforing committing, and 3) judicial use of NFP to space children when the situation warrants. Remembering that not all couples have the same level of fertility, you would not likely see Catholics all breeding like rabbits &#8211; it&#8217;s obvious from reading papal writings that that isn&#8217;t the goal anyway. </p>
<p>NB: Even prior to the advent of modern birth control, when all of the Christian churches rejected it, it was still true that wealthier nations had lower birth rates, because they tended to marry later and have shorter reproductive lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of these ideas point to the fact that we haven&#039;t seen overpopulation issues SO FAR. Ok, but what if the Catholic Church got its way and everyone got married and had 8 kids?  Wouldn&#039;t the world be overrun with people in a few hundred years? The world&#039;s resrouces are bigger than envirofascits say they are, but they&#039;re still finite. Doesn&#039;t that mean that the Church&#039;s position is just irresponsible? just playing devils advocate here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these ideas point to the fact that we haven&#8217;t seen overpopulation issues SO FAR. Ok, but what if the Catholic Church got its way and everyone got married and had 8 kids?  Wouldn&#8217;t the world be overrun with people in a few hundred years? The world&#8217;s resrouces are bigger than envirofascits say they are, but they&#8217;re still finite. Doesn&#8217;t that mean that the Church&#8217;s position is just irresponsible? just playing devils advocate here.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2006/08/catholic-teaching-and-overpopulation.html/comment-page-1#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own thoughts on this question almost invariably run along the same line as John&#039;s, and in particular point 6 and 7...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;6. This sort of thinking is deeply &quot;static;&quot; &lt;b&gt;it assumes that problems can&#039;t be solved, and assumes that things will always be as they are.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;7. &lt;b&gt;Anti-population thinking never imagines that people may be a SOLUTION.&lt;/b&gt; A Catholic should especially beware of this, since the Church, which is in dubious shape in America and in decline in Europe, is growing like mad in Africa and Latin America. Most of the world&#039;s Catholics are now in the Global South.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I couldn’t have stated my own thoughts any better.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It seems to me that the greatest &#039;natural resource&#039; we have are human beings themselves.  The more the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own thoughts on this question almost invariably run along the same line as John&#8217;s, and in particular point 6 and 7&#8230;</p>
<p><i>6. This sort of thinking is deeply &#8220;static;&#8221; <b>it assumes that problems can&#8217;t be solved, and assumes that things will always be as they are.</b> </p>
<p>7. <b>Anti-population thinking never imagines that people may be a SOLUTION.</b> A Catholic should especially beware of this, since the Church, which is in dubious shape in America and in decline in Europe, is growing like mad in Africa and Latin America. Most of the world&#8217;s Catholics are now in the Global South.</i></p>
<p>I couldn’t have stated my own thoughts any better.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that the greatest &#8216;natural resource&#8217; we have are human beings themselves.  The more the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2006/08/catholic-teaching-and-overpopulation.html/comment-page-1#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh well .... the last bit of that link reads: coverstory.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well &#8230;. the last bit of that link reads: coverstory.html</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2006/08/catholic-teaching-and-overpopulation.html/comment-page-1#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link got cut off! Another attempt:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/coverstory.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link got cut off! Another attempt:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/coverstory.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/coverstory.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2006/08/catholic-teaching-and-overpopulation.html/comment-page-1#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Envoy Magazine had an article a few years ago that dealt with this question some of the other overpopulation myths.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/coverstory.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Envoy Magazine had an article a few years ago that dealt with this question some of the other overpopulation myths.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/coverstory.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.3/coverstory.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: melanie b</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go off on a tangent since it seems like the over-population dubunkers have things well in hand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One pertainent point I seldom see brought up in these discussions is that the Catholic Church not only encourages large families, it also calls some individuals to forsake having families at all, to live lives of consecrated celibacy. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How many children from large families go on to become priests, religious brothers or nuns? In St Therese&#039;s family, for example, all the children who survived to adulthood entered convents. Those large faithful Catholic families also tend to be those who encourage their children to consider vocations to religious life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In fact, for the Church one of the tragedies of the contraceptive culture has been an decrease in larger families and a tragic shortage of priests and religious. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would we be experiencing a vocations crisis now if more Catholics were still having large families? I have heard stories of families with only one son whose mother cried when he said he wanted to be a priest. By contrast, historically parents rejoiced when their younger sons discovered vocations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the Church calls all men and women to fatherhood and motherhood, but some of us are called to live this vocation in the spiritual dimension rather than by marriage and children.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just some thoughts about a different side of the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to go off on a tangent since it seems like the over-population dubunkers have things well in hand.</p>
<p>One pertainent point I seldom see brought up in these discussions is that the Catholic Church not only encourages large families, it also calls some individuals to forsake having families at all, to live lives of consecrated celibacy. </p>
<p>How many children from large families go on to become priests, religious brothers or nuns? In St Therese&#8217;s family, for example, all the children who survived to adulthood entered convents. Those large faithful Catholic families also tend to be those who encourage their children to consider vocations to religious life.</p>
<p>In fact, for the Church one of the tragedies of the contraceptive culture has been an decrease in larger families and a tragic shortage of priests and religious. </p>
<p>Would we be experiencing a vocations crisis now if more Catholics were still having large families? I have heard stories of families with only one son whose mother cried when he said he wanted to be a priest. By contrast, historically parents rejoiced when their younger sons discovered vocations.</p>
<p>the Church calls all men and women to fatherhood and motherhood, but some of us are called to live this vocation in the spiritual dimension rather than by marriage and children.</p>
<p>Just some thoughts about a different side of the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: GLouise</title>
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		<dc:creator>GLouise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting question.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Big families are on the cover of &quot;Christianity Today&quot; this month!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s the link: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/008/15.26.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting question.</p>
<p>Big families are on the cover of &#8220;Christianity Today&#8221; this month!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link: <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/008/15.26.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/008/15.26.html</a></p>
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