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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got freaked out when I saw that the latest toy crazy at Target involves infant toys in the shape of pull-apart words--dog, sheep, pig, etc. I looked at them in their bright packages, looked at my seven month old- and thought &quot;we have crossed some sort of boundary here!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got freaked out when I saw that the latest toy crazy at Target involves infant toys in the shape of pull-apart words&#8211;dog, sheep, pig, etc. I looked at them in their bright packages, looked at my seven month old- and thought &#8220;we have crossed some sort of boundary here!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/06/having-smart-kids.html/comment-page-1#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Christina Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a place for humility about intelligence, but there is also a very important place for recognizing intelligence in a child: not as a matter of pride, but as a matter of doing God&#039;s will. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is no question that every child is gifted. Some are intellectually gifted, and many are gifted in other areas which are also important. Any parent who becomes too proud of his child&#039;s intelligence, or views his child&#039;s intelligence as a reflection of himself is guilty of wrong priorities.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, the reality is that intelligence, like ANY gift from God, is still a gift which God intends the child to develop and use. If a gifted program helps in that aim, it is a good resource. If it does not help in that aim, it might better be avoided. Gifted programs are certainly not all alike, and with a household full of gifted children (all five of the school age and above kids) identified as highly gifted, you can be sure I&#039;ve seen both very good and very bad programs -- and a range in between. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gifted children often have special needs, as surely as a remedial student does. They need help combating boredom, learning to use their abilities, and in finding social acceptance. A program that increases a child&#039;s isolation is clearly not doing its job. But children with special needs deserve to have those needs met, and all gifted programs should not be blamed simply because some of them are abysmal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I was in school I got bullied a lot. How very grateful I was for the one afternoon a week I was removed from that bullying environment and put with other kids who were more like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a place for humility about intelligence, but there is also a very important place for recognizing intelligence in a child: not as a matter of pride, but as a matter of doing God&#8217;s will. </p>
<p>There is no question that every child is gifted. Some are intellectually gifted, and many are gifted in other areas which are also important. Any parent who becomes too proud of his child&#8217;s intelligence, or views his child&#8217;s intelligence as a reflection of himself is guilty of wrong priorities.</p>
<p>However, the reality is that intelligence, like ANY gift from God, is still a gift which God intends the child to develop and use. If a gifted program helps in that aim, it is a good resource. If it does not help in that aim, it might better be avoided. Gifted programs are certainly not all alike, and with a household full of gifted children (all five of the school age and above kids) identified as highly gifted, you can be sure I&#8217;ve seen both very good and very bad programs &#8212; and a range in between. </p>
<p>Gifted children often have special needs, as surely as a remedial student does. They need help combating boredom, learning to use their abilities, and in finding social acceptance. A program that increases a child&#8217;s isolation is clearly not doing its job. But children with special needs deserve to have those needs met, and all gifted programs should not be blamed simply because some of them are abysmal.</p>
<p>When I was in school I got bullied a lot. How very grateful I was for the one afternoon a week I was removed from that bullying environment and put with other kids who were more like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer F.</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/06/having-smart-kids.html/comment-page-1#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am troubled by the anti-intellectual tone I&#039;m seeing in these comments.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Crimson Mom - was it something in my post or in the comments? I didn&#039;t really get an anti-intellectual tone from anything that&#039;s been said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am troubled by the anti-intellectual tone I&#8217;m seeing in these comments.</i></p>
<p>Crimson Mom &#8211; was it something in my post or in the comments? I didn&#8217;t really get an anti-intellectual tone from anything that&#8217;s been said.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarahndipity</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/06/having-smart-kids.html/comment-page-1#comment-2429</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarahndipity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, I sure can relate to this post. I’m not a competitive person either. I don’t know where you live, but where I live (the D.C. area) it’s also extremely competitive for kids. I grew up here and although I was an A/B student I was not in a “gifted” program in elementary school, and I remember feeling badly about it.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also don’t understand why being “smart” is almost always associated with academics, specifically math and science. As an arts and literature person this always annoyed me. :) I think we need to recognize the many different kinds of intelligence – someone may not be gifted academically, but they might be an amazing artist, or an outstanding athlete, or a whiz at working on cars, or have great people skills. God gives everyone unique gifts, because this world needs many different kinds of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, I sure can relate to this post. I’m not a competitive person either. I don’t know where you live, but where I live (the D.C. area) it’s also extremely competitive for kids. I grew up here and although I was an A/B student I was not in a “gifted” program in elementary school, and I remember feeling badly about it.  </p>
<p>I also don’t understand why being “smart” is almost always associated with academics, specifically math and science. As an arts and literature person this always annoyed me. <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think we need to recognize the many different kinds of intelligence – someone may not be gifted academically, but they might be an amazing artist, or an outstanding athlete, or a whiz at working on cars, or have great people skills. God gives everyone unique gifts, because this world needs many different kinds of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/06/having-smart-kids.html/comment-page-1#comment-2428</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about the parental obsession with the external markers of achievement- grades, test scores, admission to the &quot;right&quot; schools, and so on. In our area, it starts before the kids are out of Pull-Ups. That is a big factor in our decision to homeschool because I don&#039;t think it&#039;s healthy for kids.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the other hand, I am troubled by the anti-intellectual tone I&#039;m seeing in these comments. There is a resentment in our culture towards kids who are intellectually gifted that we don&#039;t show towards kids who are gifted in other domains such as athletics, art, or music. Nobody complains about there being selective sports teams, orchestras, art shows, etc. But have a selective GATE program or honor roll and all of the sudden it gets bashed as &quot;elitist&quot; or worse. Frankly, it strikes me as a case of &quot;sour grapes&quot;!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;God gives each child different strengths and weaknesses and we are all equal in His eyes. We should celebrate everyone&#039;s gifts, whatever the domain. Carping about the intellectually gifted in a nasty manner (A) is not Christian and (B) hurts all of us when it contributes to underachievement by those who have the potential to give so much back to society. We need the sharpest minds among us to be out there searching for a cure for cancer and so on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about the parental obsession with the external markers of achievement- grades, test scores, admission to the &#8220;right&#8221; schools, and so on. In our area, it starts before the kids are out of Pull-Ups. That is a big factor in our decision to homeschool because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s healthy for kids.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I am troubled by the anti-intellectual tone I&#8217;m seeing in these comments. There is a resentment in our culture towards kids who are intellectually gifted that we don&#8217;t show towards kids who are gifted in other domains such as athletics, art, or music. Nobody complains about there being selective sports teams, orchestras, art shows, etc. But have a selective GATE program or honor roll and all of the sudden it gets bashed as &#8220;elitist&#8221; or worse. Frankly, it strikes me as a case of &#8220;sour grapes&#8221;!</p>
<p>God gives each child different strengths and weaknesses and we are all equal in His eyes. We should celebrate everyone&#8217;s gifts, whatever the domain. Carping about the intellectually gifted in a nasty manner (A) is not Christian and (B) hurts all of us when it contributes to underachievement by those who have the potential to give so much back to society. We need the sharpest minds among us to be out there searching for a cure for cancer and so on!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in a gifted program in second grade. I can&#039;t remember how I got in--maybe the fact that I was tearing my way through 300-page books clued them in to the fact that I was bored out of my mind. The program I was in involved going away to a special class on Friday afternoons. I don&#039;t think it did me any good. I was happy to get A&#039;s without having to work for them. I wasn&#039;t going to exert myself one afternoon a week. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We started homeschooling when I was in fourth grade, and it took me several years to readjust my approach to school. I think ultimately it was healthier for me to get out of the classroom environment. Instead of doing just enough to be better than my classmates, I had to do the best that I could. Unfortunately, the SATs and such then reared their ugly heads. I did just fine, but I hate the competitiveness of it. I might have scored 150 points higher than my best friend, but she is leagues ahead of me in things like patience. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This whole gifted thing seems just wrong on so many levels. First, what standard are they using? Is it just good grades, or are they looking for the next Mozart?  Then, my own experience of gifted programs was of them being extremely unhelpful. Maybe other schools do it better than mine did. Anyway, I&#039;m rambling, so I&#039;ll stop now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a gifted program in second grade. I can&#8217;t remember how I got in&#8211;maybe the fact that I was tearing my way through 300-page books clued them in to the fact that I was bored out of my mind. The program I was in involved going away to a special class on Friday afternoons. I don&#8217;t think it did me any good. I was happy to get A&#8217;s without having to work for them. I wasn&#8217;t going to exert myself one afternoon a week. </p>
<p>We started homeschooling when I was in fourth grade, and it took me several years to readjust my approach to school. I think ultimately it was healthier for me to get out of the classroom environment. Instead of doing just enough to be better than my classmates, I had to do the best that I could. Unfortunately, the SATs and such then reared their ugly heads. I did just fine, but I hate the competitiveness of it. I might have scored 150 points higher than my best friend, but she is leagues ahead of me in things like patience. </p>
<p>This whole gifted thing seems just wrong on so many levels. First, what standard are they using? Is it just good grades, or are they looking for the next Mozart?  Then, my own experience of gifted programs was of them being extremely unhelpful. Maybe other schools do it better than mine did. Anyway, I&#8217;m rambling, so I&#8217;ll stop now.</p>
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		<title>By: lyrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly never felt pushed or like my parents were competitive with my academic achievement.  It probably helped that neither my parents nor I are very social, so we didn&#039;t have the friends to be competitive with.  But I don&#039;t think that was all of it - my parents didn&#039;t even compare my sister and I very much.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I was in a Gifted and Talented program 5th-8th grade and took many &quot;honors&quot; classes in high school.  Other than one of my classmates telling me I &quot;should be shot&quot; for getting a high score on the SAT, I really enjoyed the more challenging material and feel my life was enriched by it.  I think Jen and everyone else here has excellent points about how competitiveness in parenting and academia is misplaced and even harmful.  But please don&#039;t transfer this criticism of a parenting style to criticism of enrichment programs themselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly never felt pushed or like my parents were competitive with my academic achievement.  It probably helped that neither my parents nor I are very social, so we didn&#8217;t have the friends to be competitive with.  But I don&#8217;t think that was all of it &#8211; my parents didn&#8217;t even compare my sister and I very much.</p>
<p>I was in a Gifted and Talented program 5th-8th grade and took many &#8220;honors&#8221; classes in high school.  Other than one of my classmates telling me I &#8220;should be shot&#8221; for getting a high score on the SAT, I really enjoyed the more challenging material and feel my life was enriched by it.  I think Jen and everyone else here has excellent points about how competitiveness in parenting and academia is misplaced and even harmful.  But please don&#8217;t transfer this criticism of a parenting style to criticism of enrichment programs themselves!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do you know how much a heating and air conditioning co. wanted to charge us to put in zoned AC? 200.00 bucks an hour... forget college send the kids to trade school!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you know how much a heating and air conditioning co. wanted to charge us to put in zoned AC? 200.00 bucks an hour&#8230; forget college send the kids to trade school!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Tex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthfully, I don&#039;t believe that every kid should go to college, yet more and more kids are driven that way.  I honestly think the value of a bachelor&#039;s degree has been diminished by all this.  Look at how many job openings are looking for people with Master&#039;s degrees now.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Intelligence is nice, but it ain&#039;t everything.  My aim as a father is to encourage my children to use the gifts that God has given them to the best of their ability.  If they are considered smart, great.  If they are average, great.  If they are lower than average, great.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as Gifted &amp; Talented programs go, I really don&#039;t know how they are structured.  I went to Catholic school before college, and had a different experience.  For one, my K-8 school had everyone lumped into one class.  In high school, one&#039;s placement in honors, regulars, or essentials classes were based upon academic achievement, not some school psychologist.  I was in almost all the honors classes available to me (English Lit. was my weak point).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe there&#039;s value in waiting to separate the kids until later.  I dunno.  My experience was a good one.  No parents complaining to me that their kids were brighter (just my basketball teammates predicting that I&#039;d be in Calculus 12 before I graduated).  I will say that I did develop some sort of superiority complex mentioned by another commenter.  However, that was quickly remedied when I took my first Calculus exam in college.  I found out just how exemplary I really wasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthfully, I don&#8217;t believe that every kid should go to college, yet more and more kids are driven that way.  I honestly think the value of a bachelor&#8217;s degree has been diminished by all this.  Look at how many job openings are looking for people with Master&#8217;s degrees now.</p>
<p>Intelligence is nice, but it ain&#8217;t everything.  My aim as a father is to encourage my children to use the gifts that God has given them to the best of their ability.  If they are considered smart, great.  If they are average, great.  If they are lower than average, great.</p>
<p>As far as Gifted &#038; Talented programs go, I really don&#8217;t know how they are structured.  I went to Catholic school before college, and had a different experience.  For one, my K-8 school had everyone lumped into one class.  In high school, one&#8217;s placement in honors, regulars, or essentials classes were based upon academic achievement, not some school psychologist.  I was in almost all the honors classes available to me (English Lit. was my weak point).</p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s value in waiting to separate the kids until later.  I dunno.  My experience was a good one.  No parents complaining to me that their kids were brighter (just my basketball teammates predicting that I&#8217;d be in Calculus 12 before I graduated).  I will say that I did develop some sort of superiority complex mentioned by another commenter.  However, that was quickly remedied when I took my first Calculus exam in college.  I found out just how exemplary I really wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen Laurence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen Laurence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I don&#039;t understand competitiveness, either. I haven&#039;t a competitive bone in my body. And truly, in the end, the last will be first and the first will be last. Jesus gave us the best example - humility, smallness and love. These are the greatest treasures we can have in this life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Beautifully said, Jen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I don&#8217;t understand competitiveness, either. I haven&#8217;t a competitive bone in my body. And truly, in the end, the last will be first and the first will be last. Jesus gave us the best example &#8211; humility, smallness and love. These are the greatest treasures we can have in this life.</p>
<p>Beautifully said, Jen!</p>
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