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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4227</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Chesterton said, &quot;The amazing thing isn&#039;t that the magic was over at midnight, but that Cinderella went to the ball in the first place.&quot; (best of my memory).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Orthodoxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Chesterton said, &#8220;The amazing thing isn&#8217;t that the magic was over at midnight, but that Cinderella went to the ball in the first place.&#8221; (best of my memory).</p>
<p>Orthodoxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Cow Bike Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4199</link>
		<dc:creator>Cow Bike Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I&#039;ve enjoyed reading your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: lyrl</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4198</link>
		<dc:creator>lyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Suffering&quot; is a word with a negative connotation.  A word with the same meaning - but a positive connotation - is &quot;challenge.&quot;  I think most people would characterize the milder examples Jen gave as challenges rather than suffering just because of the different connotations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;People want to &quot;avoid suffering&quot;, but to &quot;overcome challenges&quot;.  To me, facing and overcoming challenges is a huge part of being human.  People run marathons and climb mountains for the experience of having challenged themselves successfully.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The concept of striving for a place where there are no challenges, where everything is handed to you on a silver platter - is not my idea of eternal bliss.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Reform Jewish concept of a Messianic Age where we have eliminated the extreme forms of suffering such as war and abject poverty, but the world still has challenges such as being a parent (the Christian tradition teaches there will be no more children, ever, after the Resurrection - Matthew 22:23-33) - resonates much more with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Suffering&#8221; is a word with a negative connotation.  A word with the same meaning &#8211; but a positive connotation &#8211; is &#8220;challenge.&#8221;  I think most people would characterize the milder examples Jen gave as challenges rather than suffering just because of the different connotations.</p>
<p>People want to &#8220;avoid suffering&#8221;, but to &#8220;overcome challenges&#8221;.  To me, facing and overcoming challenges is a huge part of being human.  People run marathons and climb mountains for the experience of having challenged themselves successfully.  </p>
<p>The concept of striving for a place where there are no challenges, where everything is handed to you on a silver platter &#8211; is not my idea of eternal bliss.</p>
<p>The Reform Jewish concept of a Messianic Age where we have eliminated the extreme forms of suffering such as war and abject poverty, but the world still has challenges such as being a parent (the Christian tradition teaches there will be no more children, ever, after the Resurrection &#8211; Matthew 22:23-33) &#8211; resonates much more with me.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4196</link>
		<dc:creator>JP Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit the nail on the head when you say that &quot;suffering is the defining characteristic of our experience here on earth.&quot;  The reason that time is meaningful to us is that things &#039;can be done to us&#039;, i.e. we can suffer.  The angels do not have this attribute, and I think it was St. Therese who said that if it were possible for them to envy us, they would envy our ability to suffer.  As temporal creation, we have the capability of slowly making our way towards God, from nothing, and if done well it is a beautiful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit the nail on the head when you say that &#8220;suffering is the defining characteristic of our experience here on earth.&#8221;  The reason that time is meaningful to us is that things &#8216;can be done to us&#8217;, i.e. we can suffer.  The angels do not have this attribute, and I think it was St. Therese who said that if it were possible for them to envy us, they would envy our ability to suffer.  As temporal creation, we have the capability of slowly making our way towards God, from nothing, and if done well it is a beautiful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4194</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was beautiful! Thank you for those thoughts and insights, they are right on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was beautiful! Thank you for those thoughts and insights, they are right on!</p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4193</link>
		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the real struggle of &quot;faith&quot; and &quot;hope.&quot; A reason so many people have for leaving the church. I don&#039;t think the mystery of suffering can ever be really grasped by the mind, its more of a heart thing. &quot;Blessed are those that mourn.&quot; I can clearly see how that is true in my own case, but struggle to have faith in those words when I hear of other&#039;s suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the real struggle of &#8220;faith&#8221; and &#8220;hope.&#8221; A reason so many people have for leaving the church. I don&#8217;t think the mystery of suffering can ever be really grasped by the mind, its more of a heart thing. &#8220;Blessed are those that mourn.&#8221; I can clearly see how that is true in my own case, but struggle to have faith in those words when I hear of other&#8217;s suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4192</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great post!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The whole issue of evil and suffering, which is a stumbling block to so many, actually played a key role in my conversion. In my previous life (pre-Christian), my philosophy was mostly based on various Eastern traditions - Hinduism and Buddhism, both of which I still greatly respect. Suffering is a big issue with these traditions, especially Buddhism - &quot;all is suffering&quot; is the Buddha&#039;s First Noble Truth, the starting point for all his teaching. However, I always felt that something vital was missing. To the Eastern traditions, suffering is just the result of ignorance, to be avoided, ended, transcended in some way. They do not, as far as I can see, invest suffering with any kind of meaning. And when I started to go through the Middle-Aged Meat Grinder in earnest (deaths of both parents and all three brothers, open-heart surgery, car wreck, illnesses, teenage kids, etc), I badly needed for it all to mean something. Only Christianity provided me with a framework by which to understand my experiences of suffering in a meaningful way - the other traditions, great as they are, gave me nothing I needed when the going got really tough. In fact, I have come to believe that Christianity is truly unique in this regard. The Cross, with all that it stands for, is something that only Christianity offers to the human race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great post!</p>
<p>The whole issue of evil and suffering, which is a stumbling block to so many, actually played a key role in my conversion. In my previous life (pre-Christian), my philosophy was mostly based on various Eastern traditions &#8211; Hinduism and Buddhism, both of which I still greatly respect. Suffering is a big issue with these traditions, especially Buddhism &#8211; &#8220;all is suffering&#8221; is the Buddha&#8217;s First Noble Truth, the starting point for all his teaching. However, I always felt that something vital was missing. To the Eastern traditions, suffering is just the result of ignorance, to be avoided, ended, transcended in some way. They do not, as far as I can see, invest suffering with any kind of meaning. And when I started to go through the Middle-Aged Meat Grinder in earnest (deaths of both parents and all three brothers, open-heart surgery, car wreck, illnesses, teenage kids, etc), I badly needed for it all to mean something. Only Christianity provided me with a framework by which to understand my experiences of suffering in a meaningful way &#8211; the other traditions, great as they are, gave me nothing I needed when the going got really tough. In fact, I have come to believe that Christianity is truly unique in this regard. The Cross, with all that it stands for, is something that only Christianity offers to the human race.</p>
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		<title>By: Courageous Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4191</link>
		<dc:creator>Courageous Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have struggled with this question as well, and the answer I keep coming up with is that our suffering helps us to appreciate the gifts God has given us.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The pain we experience serves to make the joys we experience better than they would have been otherwise, that we sometimes tend to take the joys for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have struggled with this question as well, and the answer I keep coming up with is that our suffering helps us to appreciate the gifts God has given us.</p>
<p>The pain we experience serves to make the joys we experience better than they would have been otherwise, that we sometimes tend to take the joys for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: patjrsmom</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2007/10/god-and-suffering.html/comment-page-1#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator>patjrsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And scripture reminds us that God will work out all things for good for those who love God.  He can bring amazing graces from the suffering in the Body of Christ, especially of the innocent.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And scripture reminds us that God will work out all things for good for those who love God.  He can bring amazing graces from the suffering in the Body of Christ, especially of the innocent.  </p>
<p>Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I often read blogs that mimic my own thoughts yet describe them much more coherently and thoroughly than I ever could.  I bookmark the great ones to fall back on in tough times.  I have to say I have found myself bookmarking every post that finds its way onto this website.  Thanks for the inspiration and hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer,</p>
<p>I often read blogs that mimic my own thoughts yet describe them much more coherently and thoroughly than I ever could.  I bookmark the great ones to fall back on in tough times.  I have to say I have found myself bookmarking every post that finds its way onto this website.  Thanks for the inspiration and hard work.</p>
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