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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! What a wonderful, amazing way to explain the truth about sex and abortion!
Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! What a wonderful, amazing way to explain the truth about sex and abortion!<br />
Thank you!<br />
<span class="cluv">Giovanni recently posted..<a class="6470a13d2e 40500" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.postaborto.it/2011/11/irrinunciabile.html">Irrinunciabile</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Jenn. I am pro life myself, but sometimes one needs a good remainder why. This is it. On the side you briefly touch on also why &quot;safe&quot; abortions are a mith with all the risks involved.

Hope you eventually have millions of readers, they need you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jenn. I am pro life myself, but sometimes one needs a good remainder why. This is it. On the side you briefly touch on also why &#8220;safe&#8221; abortions are a mith with all the risks involved.</p>
<p>Hope you eventually have millions of readers, they need you.</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2008/01/how-i-became-pro-life.html/comment-page-3#comment-36140</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dehumanize inconvenient people&quot; - what spot-on phrasing. I know this post is three-plus years old, but I just stumbled across it today. I have two children with disabilities - my daughter has cerebral palsy and my son has Down syndrome - and I speak often about the ability of others to dehumanize individuals with disabilities (and babies, and babies with disabilities). I&#039;ve never been pro-choice but I have many friends who are. Your post will help me talk to them, when they are willing to talk.

God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dehumanize inconvenient people&#8221; &#8211; what spot-on phrasing. I know this post is three-plus years old, but I just stumbled across it today. I have two children with disabilities &#8211; my daughter has cerebral palsy and my son has Down syndrome &#8211; and I speak often about the ability of others to dehumanize individuals with disabilities (and babies, and babies with disabilities). I&#8217;ve never been pro-choice but I have many friends who are. Your post will help me talk to them, when they are willing to talk.</p>
<p>God bless.<br />
<span class="cluv">Andi recently posted..<a class="f1483385e1 36140" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bringingthesunshine.com/2011/09/outrageous-fortune-97-percent/">Outrageous Fortune: 97 percent</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Augusth</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2008/01/how-i-became-pro-life.html/comment-page-3#comment-36050</link>
		<dc:creator>Augusth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 03:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. Typing on an iPhone. That post was suppose to be a response to another commenter who said their was no argument for abortion if you accepted the fetus as human. Next time I promise to wait until I&#039;m at a proper computer. These touchpads are just to finnicky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. Typing on an iPhone. That post was suppose to be a response to another commenter who said their was no argument for abortion if you accepted the fetus as human. Next time I promise to wait until I&#8217;m at a proper computer. These touchpads are just to finnicky!</p>
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		<title>By: Augusth</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2008/01/how-i-became-pro-life.html/comment-page-3#comment-36049</link>
		<dc:creator>Augusth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 03:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops that most was suppose to be in trainee to acposter saying their was no argument for abortion if you viewed the fetus as human. Don&#039;t know why it didn&#039;t post as a reply to his comment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops that most was suppose to be in trainee to acposter saying their was no argument for abortion if you viewed the fetus as human. Don&#8217;t know why it didn&#8217;t post as a reply to his comment</p>
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		<title>By: Augusth</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2008/01/how-i-became-pro-life.html/comment-page-3#comment-36048</link>
		<dc:creator>Augusth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 03:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that just isn&#039;t true. The right to control ones own body is a central theme of the pro-choice movement. Judith jarvis (spelling?) wrote a famous pro choice essay about morally killing someone who is dependent on our body. I don&#039;t remember the example exactly but essentially it was a fictional story that was along the lines of &quot;imagine the distraught surgeon son of one of the worlds most famous violinists discovers you are a tissue/blood match for their ailing father. Too far down the donor list for a transplant in time to save the fathers life the son drugs you and medically attaches you together so the father can use your liver along with yourself. This medically possible situation would keep him alive for the 9months or so it would require to finally move up the list and get a kidney from the donor list. This arrangement is only a minor risk to your life but do you morally have to put up with it? After all we don&#039;t even say that people morally have to give blood or donate their second kidney. Actions that obviously save lives. Nonetheless unplugging the ailing violinists would kill him. Prior to hooking him up he would be left to die but much like the euthanasia debate... Unhooking him now would be killing him. He didn&#039;t ask his son to do this but it is done. He is innocent of foul play. Do you have to live the next 9 months with this situation. Are you morally obligated to someone living off your body. If people can have moral claims to our bodies does that not extend to the thousands in need of kidneys as all if not most us on this board have an extra one that we can give with relative safety and all but a quarter size scar to show for it. Woman can actually have them removed through vahina I read = no visible scar. Any way all this to say that the morally right to our own bodies is one that bares consideration in the abortion debate. It is by many considered such an inalienable right that it justifies the death of good innocent people. How many here would oppose government mandated kidney donation during life. Actually how many would oppose it even after death when they aren&#039;t in use! We have a dismal organ donation rate. People willingness to give themselves is not as great as we&#039;d expect. The prolife movement is guilty of this as much as any. Is there a inconsistency that we would force a woman to give her body at to birth a child but then not force her to donate her kidney to her child 20years later. Why does the child have claim to her body at 5months pre-birth but not at 20yr. Lots of hood moral questions and quandries. If you can&#039;t see them you haven&#039;t spent enough time reading the other side and have painted them a strawman easily dismissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that just isn&#8217;t true. The right to control ones own body is a central theme of the pro-choice movement. Judith jarvis (spelling?) wrote a famous pro choice essay about morally killing someone who is dependent on our body. I don&#8217;t remember the example exactly but essentially it was a fictional story that was along the lines of &#8220;imagine the distraught surgeon son of one of the worlds most famous violinists discovers you are a tissue/blood match for their ailing father. Too far down the donor list for a transplant in time to save the fathers life the son drugs you and medically attaches you together so the father can use your liver along with yourself. This medically possible situation would keep him alive for the 9months or so it would require to finally move up the list and get a kidney from the donor list. This arrangement is only a minor risk to your life but do you morally have to put up with it? After all we don&#8217;t even say that people morally have to give blood or donate their second kidney. Actions that obviously save lives. Nonetheless unplugging the ailing violinists would kill him. Prior to hooking him up he would be left to die but much like the euthanasia debate&#8230; Unhooking him now would be killing him. He didn&#8217;t ask his son to do this but it is done. He is innocent of foul play. Do you have to live the next 9 months with this situation. Are you morally obligated to someone living off your body. If people can have moral claims to our bodies does that not extend to the thousands in need of kidneys as all if not most us on this board have an extra one that we can give with relative safety and all but a quarter size scar to show for it. Woman can actually have them removed through vahina I read = no visible scar. Any way all this to say that the morally right to our own bodies is one that bares consideration in the abortion debate. It is by many considered such an inalienable right that it justifies the death of good innocent people. How many here would oppose government mandated kidney donation during life. Actually how many would oppose it even after death when they aren&#8217;t in use! We have a dismal organ donation rate. People willingness to give themselves is not as great as we&#8217;d expect. The prolife movement is guilty of this as much as any. Is there a inconsistency that we would force a woman to give her body at to birth a child but then not force her to donate her kidney to her child 20years later. Why does the child have claim to her body at 5months pre-birth but not at 20yr. Lots of hood moral questions and quandries. If you can&#8217;t see them you haven&#8217;t spent enough time reading the other side and have painted them a strawman easily dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonella Garofalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonella Garofalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I returned to the faith in 2008 and I was still pro-choice...until I read this. Very powerful argument. I&#039;m going to have to rethink my position, although it&#039;s going to be difficult: My son is an atheist and he &quot;tolerated&quot; my sudden conversion because my view on politic had not changed. When the moment arrives, I&#039;m going to have him read your article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I returned to the faith in 2008 and I was still pro-choice&#8230;until I read this. Very powerful argument. I&#8217;m going to have to rethink my position, although it&#8217;s going to be difficult: My son is an atheist and he &#8220;tolerated&#8221; my sudden conversion because my view on politic had not changed. When the moment arrives, I&#8217;m going to have him read your article.<br />
<span class="cluv">Antonella Garofalo recently posted..<a class="9879166638 35863" rel="nofollow" href="http://idealista-ontheroadtojerusalem.blogspot.com/2011/09/going-with-flu.html">Going with the Flu</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: C Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2008/01/how-i-became-pro-life.html/comment-page-1#comment-34811</link>
		<dc:creator>C Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not rationally. If it is a human, then intentionally killing him or her is murder. You would have to argue that murder is a matter of choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not rationally. If it is a human, then intentionally killing him or her is murder. You would have to argue that murder is a matter of choice.</p>
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		<title>By: C Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 06:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the Catholic church does not say that people can create anything, let alone a soul. God creates. Creation comes from nothing, and God is eternally creative in that he sustains everything out of nothing for as long as anything exists. Only God exists by his very nature, and everything else is created by him and his will sustains it.

The parents do cooperate in creation with God when they conceive, and I am guessing that was what they were trying to get at. We do believe that participating with God&#039;s creation in this way is a great gift and yet another way in which God has &quot;created us in His image&quot;.

Do you also belive that theft and murder should not be criminalized? If something is wrong, it should be criminalized. You cannot argue that because a law is ineffective (whether becasue people insist on an act or because the executive branch refuses to enforce it) it should not be a law. That is just like the parents who do not tell their kids to abstain from premarital sex and instead get them condoms because they are &quot;just going to do it anyway&quot;.

If I am not mistaken, the number of abortions has gone up, not down, proportionally, since it became legal. You might like to look that up if your reason for being pro-choice is that criminalizing it would be ineffective. For pro-lifers, it is a moot point. We do not think it should be criminalized because it would be effective in preventing abortions; we think it should be criminalized because it is wrong, and the state should uphold the rights of everyone, even (or especially) the defenseless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the Catholic church does not say that people can create anything, let alone a soul. God creates. Creation comes from nothing, and God is eternally creative in that he sustains everything out of nothing for as long as anything exists. Only God exists by his very nature, and everything else is created by him and his will sustains it.</p>
<p>The parents do cooperate in creation with God when they conceive, and I am guessing that was what they were trying to get at. We do believe that participating with God&#8217;s creation in this way is a great gift and yet another way in which God has &#8220;created us in His image&#8221;.</p>
<p>Do you also belive that theft and murder should not be criminalized? If something is wrong, it should be criminalized. You cannot argue that because a law is ineffective (whether becasue people insist on an act or because the executive branch refuses to enforce it) it should not be a law. That is just like the parents who do not tell their kids to abstain from premarital sex and instead get them condoms because they are &#8220;just going to do it anyway&#8221;.</p>
<p>If I am not mistaken, the number of abortions has gone up, not down, proportionally, since it became legal. You might like to look that up if your reason for being pro-choice is that criminalizing it would be ineffective. For pro-lifers, it is a moot point. We do not think it should be criminalized because it would be effective in preventing abortions; we think it should be criminalized because it is wrong, and the state should uphold the rights of everyone, even (or especially) the defenseless.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, this is a very well written piece, and I thank you for being very calm and non-accusatory throughout it, and for fully justifying your feelings. I am glad I read it, because it gave me a lot to think about as far as what sex means, how we treat it/view it, and the role it has in creating life. It is not something I have had so explicitly explained to me before, and I think I am better off having heard it. 

I understand where you are coming from. We want to make sure that every life or potential life is given a chance. But when I was reading this, it seemed that you viewed most of the pregnancies that ended in abortion as inconvenient pregnancies. (I could be wrong, that&#039;s just how it come off to me.) And yes, I understand that something being inconvenient doesn&#039;t justify ending a life. But not all pregnancies are so black and white. What about cases of rape, where the mother did nothing to try and begin the pregnancy? Maybe you think that while it is obviously horrible, it doesn&#039;t mean we should get to kill an innocent life. What about incest? These cases are usually also some form of rape, but with an increased risk of genetic defects from inbreeding. Would you make them have the baby, despite all the psychological trauma to the mother (and possibly later on, the child), as well as the risk of creating a special needs child? Maybe, again, you sympathize with the unfortunate, horrible situation, but again point out that we don&#039;t have the right to end life. I can see how both of those could be justified. 

But what about pregnancies where the mother is at risk? Would you say that the unborn child&#039;s life is more important than the mother&#039;s? What if she already has kids, would you deprive them of their mother because of an unfortunate situation (the baby&#039;s condition that is posing risk) that was no one&#039;s fault, but none the less still exists? I don&#039;t really expect you to answer that, because I don&#039;t think it&#039;s your place, really. You shouldn&#039;t be able to tell somebody that their life is less important than somebody else&#039;s. The choice that the mother makes should be all her own, because it is her life that is at stake, as well as the baby&#039;s. 

I think that the idea that it is wrong to make abortion illegal is very American, in that if you were to make abortion illegal, it takes away a person&#039;s own rights over their own body. You can&#039;t tell someone they can&#039;t have an abortion any more than you can tell them they can&#039;t burn an American flag. You may not like it, but that&#039;s the way freedom is approached in this country. Also, if abortion were illegal, what would be the punishment? Would you throw them in jail? These women who are most likely already going through emotional trauma? 

Having said all that, I don&#039;t think that people should have abortions. I don&#039;t think they should be presented so readily as an option, I can certainly understand taking away federal funding for abortions, and I am afraid of a future with an increase of abortions and what that would lead to. If it becomes too &quot;popular&quot;, it almost becomes its own form of eugenics, in that you are breeding humans by saying &quot;oh, this child has a defect, therefore it shouldn&#039;t be born&quot;. It&#039;s a slippery, scary slope, one that hints at literary dystopias where &quot;nature&quot; and its natural diversity are almost completely removed, because humans think that they know what are the best human traits. 

I really agree with you that the best way to try and stop people from getting abortions is education and understanding. (Granted, these two things are probably harder to spread these days than it is to get a law passed.) The idea that sex is more than recreational is worth spreading, and changing societies perceptions is the best chance we have of stopping abortions. I don&#039;t want to take away a person&#039;s right to choose, but I do want to try and make them see the reality of the choice they&#039;re making. But in the end, it&#039;s still their life, not mine, and therefore not my choice. 

Phew, that was long winded. Sorry about that. But thanks again for writing this, definitely gave me a different viewpoint and way of thinking things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this is a very well written piece, and I thank you for being very calm and non-accusatory throughout it, and for fully justifying your feelings. I am glad I read it, because it gave me a lot to think about as far as what sex means, how we treat it/view it, and the role it has in creating life. It is not something I have had so explicitly explained to me before, and I think I am better off having heard it. </p>
<p>I understand where you are coming from. We want to make sure that every life or potential life is given a chance. But when I was reading this, it seemed that you viewed most of the pregnancies that ended in abortion as inconvenient pregnancies. (I could be wrong, that&#8217;s just how it come off to me.) And yes, I understand that something being inconvenient doesn&#8217;t justify ending a life. But not all pregnancies are so black and white. What about cases of rape, where the mother did nothing to try and begin the pregnancy? Maybe you think that while it is obviously horrible, it doesn&#8217;t mean we should get to kill an innocent life. What about incest? These cases are usually also some form of rape, but with an increased risk of genetic defects from inbreeding. Would you make them have the baby, despite all the psychological trauma to the mother (and possibly later on, the child), as well as the risk of creating a special needs child? Maybe, again, you sympathize with the unfortunate, horrible situation, but again point out that we don&#8217;t have the right to end life. I can see how both of those could be justified. </p>
<p>But what about pregnancies where the mother is at risk? Would you say that the unborn child&#8217;s life is more important than the mother&#8217;s? What if she already has kids, would you deprive them of their mother because of an unfortunate situation (the baby&#8217;s condition that is posing risk) that was no one&#8217;s fault, but none the less still exists? I don&#8217;t really expect you to answer that, because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s your place, really. You shouldn&#8217;t be able to tell somebody that their life is less important than somebody else&#8217;s. The choice that the mother makes should be all her own, because it is her life that is at stake, as well as the baby&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I think that the idea that it is wrong to make abortion illegal is very American, in that if you were to make abortion illegal, it takes away a person&#8217;s own rights over their own body. You can&#8217;t tell someone they can&#8217;t have an abortion any more than you can tell them they can&#8217;t burn an American flag. You may not like it, but that&#8217;s the way freedom is approached in this country. Also, if abortion were illegal, what would be the punishment? Would you throw them in jail? These women who are most likely already going through emotional trauma? </p>
<p>Having said all that, I don&#8217;t think that people should have abortions. I don&#8217;t think they should be presented so readily as an option, I can certainly understand taking away federal funding for abortions, and I am afraid of a future with an increase of abortions and what that would lead to. If it becomes too &#8220;popular&#8221;, it almost becomes its own form of eugenics, in that you are breeding humans by saying &#8220;oh, this child has a defect, therefore it shouldn&#8217;t be born&#8221;. It&#8217;s a slippery, scary slope, one that hints at literary dystopias where &#8220;nature&#8221; and its natural diversity are almost completely removed, because humans think that they know what are the best human traits. </p>
<p>I really agree with you that the best way to try and stop people from getting abortions is education and understanding. (Granted, these two things are probably harder to spread these days than it is to get a law passed.) The idea that sex is more than recreational is worth spreading, and changing societies perceptions is the best chance we have of stopping abortions. I don&#8217;t want to take away a person&#8217;s right to choose, but I do want to try and make them see the reality of the choice they&#8217;re making. But in the end, it&#8217;s still their life, not mine, and therefore not my choice. </p>
<p>Phew, that was long winded. Sorry about that. But thanks again for writing this, definitely gave me a different viewpoint and way of thinking things.</p>
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