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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2009/02/getting-kids-to-behave-in-church.html/comment-page-1#comment-11456</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thought is:  what do you want your child&#039;s experience of church to say to him.  Do you want church to simply be a place he remembers as one where threats of punishment were looming over his head always, or a place where he felt welcomed?  I always felt that I needed to be responsive to my child&#039;s needs and limitations.  With one we needed to feed her between Sunday School and church when she was under 5 (we were Protestants then).  She didn&#039;t make it all the way through church from the time she was a babe in arms until she was 3, but then she sat through consistently and quietly.  Up until then she stayed as long as she was able and when she got too fidgety I took her out with a smile.  Our oldest sat through even earlier, but always had his special quiet church toys and books, and sometimes Goldfish crackers. They weren&#039;t allowed to crawl under pews, run up the aisles or treat the pews as gymnastics equipment.   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The kids in our church who went to the nursery for the whole services are not practicing Christians as adults.  The kids I knew whose parents took them out and punished them are also nowhere to be seen.  Meanwhile my two are devout adult Catholics who can sit through even long liturgies with great joy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We didn&#039;t allow books, toys, snacks forever.  By the time they were 5 or so they had the back of the church bulletin and a pen to either take notes or doodle with.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Last year I took my grandniece (6 years old) to Mass.  She isn&#039;t a regular Mass attender and she&#039;s a really fidgety active kid.  I found that a children&#039;s book about the Mass which I could quietly show her so she could see where we were in the liturgy really helped her attention.  We had read the book ahead of time and now she could see  the Mass in action.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Each child is different, each family is different, but the goal should be to introduce our kids to the One whom the Mass centers around.  He was the one who said, &quot;suffer the little children.&quot;  We need to both be considerate of the others around us and sensitive to the needs of our own children.  Practicing during the week, reading to them about the Mass, showing them stained glass windows with saints they&#039;ve heard stories about, bringing them to the church during the week and showing them the various statues, windows, tabernacle etc.  All of those things help them to find Mass a place that is comfortable rather than miserable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would also say that one of the most wiggly kids I&#039;ve seen outside of Mass is a wonderfully quiet little girl during Mass.  Her parents have introduced her to the idea that Jesus is hiding in the Blessed Sacrament.  She&#039;s only two and a half, but she already knows that Jesus is actually there at Mass and she behaves as if she believes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thought is:  what do you want your child&#8217;s experience of church to say to him.  Do you want church to simply be a place he remembers as one where threats of punishment were looming over his head always, or a place where he felt welcomed?  I always felt that I needed to be responsive to my child&#8217;s needs and limitations.  With one we needed to feed her between Sunday School and church when she was under 5 (we were Protestants then).  She didn&#8217;t make it all the way through church from the time she was a babe in arms until she was 3, but then she sat through consistently and quietly.  Up until then she stayed as long as she was able and when she got too fidgety I took her out with a smile.  Our oldest sat through even earlier, but always had his special quiet church toys and books, and sometimes Goldfish crackers. They weren&#8217;t allowed to crawl under pews, run up the aisles or treat the pews as gymnastics equipment.   </p>
<p>The kids in our church who went to the nursery for the whole services are not practicing Christians as adults.  The kids I knew whose parents took them out and punished them are also nowhere to be seen.  Meanwhile my two are devout adult Catholics who can sit through even long liturgies with great joy.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t allow books, toys, snacks forever.  By the time they were 5 or so they had the back of the church bulletin and a pen to either take notes or doodle with.  </p>
<p>Last year I took my grandniece (6 years old) to Mass.  She isn&#8217;t a regular Mass attender and she&#8217;s a really fidgety active kid.  I found that a children&#8217;s book about the Mass which I could quietly show her so she could see where we were in the liturgy really helped her attention.  We had read the book ahead of time and now she could see  the Mass in action.</p>
<p>Each child is different, each family is different, but the goal should be to introduce our kids to the One whom the Mass centers around.  He was the one who said, &#8220;suffer the little children.&#8221;  We need to both be considerate of the others around us and sensitive to the needs of our own children.  Practicing during the week, reading to them about the Mass, showing them stained glass windows with saints they&#8217;ve heard stories about, bringing them to the church during the week and showing them the various statues, windows, tabernacle etc.  All of those things help them to find Mass a place that is comfortable rather than miserable.</p>
<p>I would also say that one of the most wiggly kids I&#8217;ve seen outside of Mass is a wonderfully quiet little girl during Mass.  Her parents have introduced her to the idea that Jesus is hiding in the Blessed Sacrament.  She&#8217;s only two and a half, but she already knows that Jesus is actually there at Mass and she behaves as if she believes it.</p>
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		<title>By: green mom for Jesus</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2009/02/getting-kids-to-behave-in-church.html/comment-page-1#comment-11434</link>
		<dc:creator>green mom for Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does your church have an Atrium/Good Shepherd program?&lt;br/&gt;See this link&lt;br/&gt;http://www.cgsusa.org/&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a beautiful way to introduce and deepen appreciation of the Mass for the young ones.&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for all your words on this blog -God&#039;s grace is so beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does your church have an Atrium/Good Shepherd program?<br />See this link<br /><a href="http://www.cgsusa.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgsusa.org/</a><br />It&#8217;s a beautiful way to introduce and deepen appreciation of the Mass for the young ones.<br />Thanks for all your words on this blog -God&#8217;s grace is so beautiful!</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2009/02/getting-kids-to-behave-in-church.html/comment-page-1#comment-11425</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you think about it, Mass should be right up kids&#039; alley. It&#039;s got lots of repetition, lots of position changes, lots of stories, lots of songs....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s Sesame Street, except holy! :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This post has been brought to you by the letters I, H, and S, and by the number 7 as in Sacraments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think about it, Mass should be right up kids&#8217; alley. It&#8217;s got lots of repetition, lots of position changes, lots of stories, lots of songs&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Sesame Street, except holy! <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This post has been brought to you by the letters I, H, and S, and by the number 7 as in Sacraments.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then there was the time that my 3-year-old son said, &quot;Did Father just say to lift up your heart to the Lord?&quot;  We nodded, and our dear child loudly announced, &quot;That&#039;s the most ridiculous thing I&#039;ve ever heard!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there was the time that my 3-year-old son said, &#8220;Did Father just say to lift up your heart to the Lord?&#8221;  We nodded, and our dear child loudly announced, &#8220;That&#8217;s the most ridiculous thing I&#8217;ve ever heard!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2009/02/getting-kids-to-behave-in-church.html/comment-page-1#comment-11421</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are Orthodox Christians and my husband is a priest, my dad is a priest and my father-in-law is a priest.  Despite the church-y relatives, my children are nightmares in church!  We finished Vespers tonight and I wanted to bang my head against a wall!  Anyway we will be trying to practice for church this week.  I think that our 2.5 year old will get it, but I don&#039;t think the 14 month old will...  it&#039;s just too much fun to try to catch dad as he censes the church!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are Orthodox Christians and my husband is a priest, my dad is a priest and my father-in-law is a priest.  Despite the church-y relatives, my children are nightmares in church!  We finished Vespers tonight and I wanted to bang my head against a wall!  Anyway we will be trying to practice for church this week.  I think that our 2.5 year old will get it, but I don&#8217;t think the 14 month old will&#8230;  it&#8217;s just too much fun to try to catch dad as he censes the church!</p>
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		<title>By: old home school nut</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2009/02/getting-kids-to-behave-in-church.html/comment-page-1#comment-11420</link>
		<dc:creator>old home school nut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some children who just can&#039;t be &quot;made&quot; or even &quot;taught&quot; to behave -- it has to come with maturation.  These kids are what you&#039;re really asking about -- and there is no nice, sweet solution.  Cry rooms or nursery services are one approach.  Super-active parenting, leaving you without the refreshment you should receive from Mass is another (can you say &quot;offer it up&quot; LOL?).  Leaving the child home with the other parent is another approach.  Yah, that means you can&#039;t attend Mass as a family -- you talk about attachments, there&#039;s one -- the gauzy focus ideal of attending Mass as a family -- so very often it just isn&#039;t real life for a season or two.  Whatever you decide, please do not inflict an incorrigible upon the rest of the community -- that is NOT a pro-life position toward the rest of the community on YOUR part.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Disclosure:  I had my kids late and only received 2 living children.  One of them was &quot;one of those&quot; -- he grew out of it, thanks be to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some children who just can&#8217;t be &#8220;made&#8221; or even &#8220;taught&#8221; to behave &#8212; it has to come with maturation.  These kids are what you&#8217;re really asking about &#8212; and there is no nice, sweet solution.  Cry rooms or nursery services are one approach.  Super-active parenting, leaving you without the refreshment you should receive from Mass is another (can you say &#8220;offer it up&#8221; LOL?).  Leaving the child home with the other parent is another approach.  Yah, that means you can&#8217;t attend Mass as a family &#8212; you talk about attachments, there&#8217;s one &#8212; the gauzy focus ideal of attending Mass as a family &#8212; so very often it just isn&#8217;t real life for a season or two.  Whatever you decide, please do not inflict an incorrigible upon the rest of the community &#8212; that is NOT a pro-life position toward the rest of the community on YOUR part.</p>
<p>Disclosure:  I had my kids late and only received 2 living children.  One of them was &#8220;one of those&#8221; &#8212; he grew out of it, thanks be to God.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.conversiondiary.com/2009/02/getting-kids-to-behave-in-church.html/comment-page-1#comment-11410</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a couple more ideas:&lt;br/&gt;1. I know of families who allow a Bible picture book ONLY during the Liturgy of the Word.  If the Gospel happens to be a story included in your children&#039;s version, all the better.&lt;br/&gt;2. Prepare ahead of time!  We like to use the Sabbath Scripture Book and Liturgical Calendar from FamilyFormation.net the night before.  Some comment earlier extolled the value of reading the Readings ahead of time.  These resources really help make them memorable. http://familyformation.net/ForFamiliesAdditionalTeachingTools.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple more ideas:<br />1. I know of families who allow a Bible picture book ONLY during the Liturgy of the Word.  If the Gospel happens to be a story included in your children&#8217;s version, all the better.<br />2. Prepare ahead of time!  We like to use the Sabbath Scripture Book and Liturgical Calendar from FamilyFormation.net the night before.  Some comment earlier extolled the value of reading the Readings ahead of time.  These resources really help make them memorable. <a href="http://familyformation.net/ForFamiliesAdditionalTeachingTools.asp" rel="nofollow">http://familyformation.net/ForFamiliesAdditionalTeachingTools.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bribery works for us :) also to explain that we are in God&#039;s house, and while God loves to see them play that sometimes the other grown up people find it hard to concentrate on their own prayers if little people are noisy...just like if someone stood in front of the tv if you were watching your favourite cartoon :) &lt;br/&gt;Also I try to separate what I expect as good behaviour and what I want for me so that other people will think my kids are great :)&lt;br/&gt;My dad told me a great story about one of the saints (Therese of Lisieux I think, the story was when my eldest was a toddler and she&#039;s approaching 11 now) who fed her little sister sweets during Mass...... and she&#039;s a saint!!!! :)&lt;br/&gt;We had a lovely priest who is gone home to God now who used to speak of the mother&#039;s prayer of distraction, offering up the distractions as a bouquet to God...it&#039;s a short time, let&#039;s just run with it :) x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bribery works for us <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  also to explain that we are in God&#8217;s house, and while God loves to see them play that sometimes the other grown up people find it hard to concentrate on their own prayers if little people are noisy&#8230;just like if someone stood in front of the tv if you were watching your favourite cartoon <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <br />Also I try to separate what I expect as good behaviour and what I want for me so that other people will think my kids are great <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />My dad told me a great story about one of the saints (Therese of Lisieux I think, the story was when my eldest was a toddler and she&#8217;s approaching 11 now) who fed her little sister sweets during Mass&#8230;&#8230; and she&#8217;s a saint!!!! <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />We had a lovely priest who is gone home to God now who used to speak of the mother&#8217;s prayer of distraction, offering up the distractions as a bouquet to God&#8230;it&#8217;s a short time, let&#8217;s just run with it <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  x</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have time to read all the comments, although from skimming them, I think you&#039;ve gotten some good advice. My comments are probably a repeat. :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. No food or snacks once they&#039;re over three. Before that, we brought something not messy and not sugary (raisins, fish crackers, etc.) and sippies of water. I still bring water, since we&#039;re EO and our service is almost two hours (my kids are now 7, 5 and 3).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. No toys, although I do bring paper and pencils and the kids are allowed to draw. They are also allowed to read, although now that my oldest is reading, he&#039;s generally required to read along in the service book for parts of the Liturgy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Sit near the front. I find it really helps to keep the kids interested in what&#039;s going on. We don&#039;t have pews, so the kids are allowed to wander around a bit, but they must be quiet. We do take shoes off if they become annoying. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Teach the kids the more interactive parts of the service: when to stand, when to kneel, when to make the sign of the cross, how to say the Lord&#039;s Prayer, etc. As they get older especially, this helps them know where they&#039;re at in the service.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5. I really think what helps our kids is that in general we expect first-time obedience. We talk a lot about controlling our bodies, being respectful of others, etc. I don&#039;t allow the kids to run amok at the grocery store either. What is hard as kids get older is that other parents have different standards of behavior (some allow books and toys, some don&#039;t, some allow the kids to sit away from parents). It&#039;s even hard for the older kids to watch the younger ones be allowed to do things they&#039;re not. But that&#039;s part of getting bigger, I suppose. :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And the thing I always try to remind myself after an especially difficult Liturgy is that this, too, shall pass. They do get older and eventually they stop being so wiggly. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have time to read all the comments, although from skimming them, I think you&#8217;ve gotten some good advice. My comments are probably a repeat. <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>1. No food or snacks once they&#8217;re over three. Before that, we brought something not messy and not sugary (raisins, fish crackers, etc.) and sippies of water. I still bring water, since we&#8217;re EO and our service is almost two hours (my kids are now 7, 5 and 3).</p>
<p>2. No toys, although I do bring paper and pencils and the kids are allowed to draw. They are also allowed to read, although now that my oldest is reading, he&#8217;s generally required to read along in the service book for parts of the Liturgy.</p>
<p>3. Sit near the front. I find it really helps to keep the kids interested in what&#8217;s going on. We don&#8217;t have pews, so the kids are allowed to wander around a bit, but they must be quiet. We do take shoes off if they become annoying. </p>
<p>4. Teach the kids the more interactive parts of the service: when to stand, when to kneel, when to make the sign of the cross, how to say the Lord&#8217;s Prayer, etc. As they get older especially, this helps them know where they&#8217;re at in the service.</p>
<p>5. I really think what helps our kids is that in general we expect first-time obedience. We talk a lot about controlling our bodies, being respectful of others, etc. I don&#8217;t allow the kids to run amok at the grocery store either. What is hard as kids get older is that other parents have different standards of behavior (some allow books and toys, some don&#8217;t, some allow the kids to sit away from parents). It&#8217;s even hard for the older kids to watch the younger ones be allowed to do things they&#8217;re not. But that&#8217;s part of getting bigger, I suppose. <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And the thing I always try to remind myself after an especially difficult Liturgy is that this, too, shall pass. They do get older and eventually they stop being so wiggly. <img src='http://www.conversiondiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ornithophobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ornithophobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no advice to offer. My sons are now 13 and 14, but in their babyhoods I had some truly mortifying mass moments. There was the time I stood up to sing only to discover my six-month-old had decided to unbutton part of my dress. Or the momentous day my toddler figured out that communion wafers were &quot;food&quot; and announced (to the priest blessing him) in a loud voice, &quot;Hey! I&#039;m hungry, too!&quot;... most awful were the many mornings when a particularly stern faced elder lady at church wrinkled her nose at my older son for reciting along with the priest. (Tim&#039;s autistic, he went through a phase where anything he had committed to memory he wanted to recite with the speaker.) All I can say is, they do outgrow it, all of it. By the time they&#039;re sixish they have a good idea what&#039;s expected of them and how to behave in church. There may be a little boredom, the occasional bit of seat squirming- but hang in there. God&#039;s still working on them. And a warning to the nose-wrinklers: No good comes from making kids feel unwanted in church. Christ bid the little children to come to Him; I figure he expects the occasional squirmer in the bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no advice to offer. My sons are now 13 and 14, but in their babyhoods I had some truly mortifying mass moments. There was the time I stood up to sing only to discover my six-month-old had decided to unbutton part of my dress. Or the momentous day my toddler figured out that communion wafers were &#8220;food&#8221; and announced (to the priest blessing him) in a loud voice, &#8220;Hey! I&#8217;m hungry, too!&#8221;&#8230; most awful were the many mornings when a particularly stern faced elder lady at church wrinkled her nose at my older son for reciting along with the priest. (Tim&#8217;s autistic, he went through a phase where anything he had committed to memory he wanted to recite with the speaker.) All I can say is, they do outgrow it, all of it. By the time they&#8217;re sixish they have a good idea what&#8217;s expected of them and how to behave in church. There may be a little boredom, the occasional bit of seat squirming- but hang in there. God&#8217;s still working on them. And a warning to the nose-wrinklers: No good comes from making kids feel unwanted in church. Christ bid the little children to come to Him; I figure he expects the occasional squirmer in the bunch.</p>
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